In this episode of The Geek in Review, we welcome back Legal Tech and Security industry experts, Ken Jones and Josh Smith, to discuss the upcoming ILTA Evolve Conference. Reflecting on last year’s focus on AI potential, we discussed how the legal tech landscape is shifting towards practical applications of artificial intelligence and cybersecurity in 2025. Josh and Ken share their insights for legal professionals eager to understand current trends and the real-world impact of emerging technologies.

Evolving Legal Tech Trends: From Theory to Practice

Throughout our discussion, we highlighted the shift from the “what ifs” of AI to tangible, real-world use cases. Josh emphasized that this year, ILTA Evolve is focused on cost-saving AI applications and enhancing productivity, while Ken referenced the Gartner Hype Cycle to illustrate the movement from initial hype to actionable outcomes. The discussion underscores the importance of practical implementation in legal technology for anyone involved in artificial intelligence and cybersecurity.

Collaborative Theme Selection & Diverse Content

We get the behind-the-scenes process of curating ILTA Evolve content, showcasing how volunteer session coordinators and a diverse committee work together. By gathering input from industry experts, soliciting innovative ideas via LinkedIn, and balancing quantitative feedback with qualitative insights, Ken and Josh made sure that the conference features a wide range of topics. This collaborative approach not only enriches the legal tech experience but also makes ILTA Evolve an event where every legal professional can find valuable takeaways.

Highlighting Keynotes and Networking Opportunities

One of the episode’s focal points was Tarah Wheeler’s keynote, “Navigating the Digital Frontier.” Ken and Josh share their excitement about her deep dive into the intersection of AI and cybersecurity—a topic that mirrors our own discussions on legal tech advancements. In addition to high-caliber educational sessions, there is extensive networking opportunities at ILTA Evolve, including interactive workshops, built-in networking breaks, and engaging social events. These elements are critical for fostering professional connections in the legal technology community.

Future Challenges and Opportunities in Legal Tech

As our conversation wrapped up, we looked forward to the future of legal tech and the evolving challenges in data governance, cybersecurity, and regulatory compliance. We shared our thoughts on how rapid technological advancements call for a balance between automation and human expertise. Despite the complexities of emerging legal tech trends, we remain optimistic that ILTA Evolve will continue to educate, connect, and inspire the legal tech community well into the future.

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Transcript

Marlene Gebauer (00:07)
Welcome to The Geek in Review, the podcast focused on innovative and creative ideas in the legal industry. I’m Marlene Gabauer.

Greg Lambert (00:14)
And I’m Greg Lambert and this week we have brought back a couple of guys that we had about this time last year, think. Ken Jones is the principal at Xerdict Group and Josh Smith is manager of information security governance, risk and compliance at Ogletree Deakins. So Josh and Ken, welcome back to the Geek in Review.

Marlene Gebauer (00:21)
Mm-hmm.

Josh Smith (00:36)
Glad to be here. Thank you.

Ken Jones (00:38)
Yes, thank you for having us.

Greg Lambert (00:40)
All right, well, we’re going to talk about the work that you guys are doing with ILTA EVOLVE here in a minute. But I thought while we had a couple of guys that were experts in conference topics and pulling things together, we thought the little banter that we would have this week would be talking about how conferences are actually kind of looking in 2025 versus 2024. And I think last year we had, you know, was kind of like all AI all the time.

That was the hot topic. as, you know, from your experience, how do you think, and maybe Josh, I’ll have you kick this off. How do you think conference attendees are going to look differently at what their expectations are this year?

Josh Smith (01:28)
Yeah, thanks, Greg. That’s a great question. And we’ve discussed this kind of internally at ILTA.

as well as a whole that we’re seeing a shift from, you know, last year’s kind of AI is the hottest new thing and all these theoretical, what can we do with AI? And now I think this year we’re seeing a shift to the practical aspect of it, right? So what are we actually doing with AI? Where is it making a difference? How is it, how is it a cost saver and or workload shifter, right? From that base level knowledge worker to enable them to do something else that AI can do. So I think we’re seeing that, that shift from theoretical practice to actual

having AI in practice this year.

Marlene Gebauer (02:06)
some more practical applications as opposed to the what-ifs.

Josh Smith (02:09)
Right.

Greg Lambert (02:12)
Yeah, Ken, you got any insights on that?

Ken Jones (02:15)
Yeah, for sure. So as just mentioned, that’s, that’s a critical element. I perhaps direct everyone to the Gartner hype cycle, a very famous chart that Gartner group puts out. And we’re one year, yeah, we’re one year further down the road on that. And, and so you shift a little bit more from hype into use cases, as Josh mentioned. So one key element of the topic of the conference this year that we’re eager to explore is real life use cases, partnering.

Greg Lambert (02:25)
I think we’ve mentioned that a couple of times.

Ken Jones (02:45)
member firms with leading AI providers and talking about what works and what doesn’t work so that members have something successful that they can bring back to their firms. Another really important element, Greg, Marlene, Josh, is the topic of governance, control, the proper use of the technology. The ABA has formal opinion 512, I believe, that starts to speak to how it’s used.

There are ISO certification standards, ISO 42001 I believe, that’ll be explored at the conference. And just more generally speaking, how to be very concerned in a world where privacy and confidentiality of client data is important, where to use public AI, where to use domain specific LLMs within a law firm, where to use technology that’s embedded within key legal tech vendors, the document management companies and folks, stuff that we’re all familiar with.

There’s a wide variety of technologies and issues and considerations to explore and we look forward to doing it at the conference.

Marlene Gebauer (03:48)
So I’m curious, what’s the process for identifying and selecting the themes? How do you ensure that they resonate with the audience and the evolving legal tech landscape?

Ken Jones (04:00)
I mean, I’ll start that one off and then Josh can add to it. So the key to this Marlene, as I think is in many things in life, is awesome leadership and an outstanding team. So we have a great team of 12 session coordinators, a team where I’ll have folks volunteer for that and get interviewed and get placed into the roles. So they’re an important element. They’re like a focus group, I would say, to help us all understand which items are most important.

And then, mean, obviously there are leading voices in the legal tech field within Ilt and outside Ilt, keynote speaker type folks. And we balance ideas off of them and get their perspective. And we’re thrilled to have, for example, Zachar Barovitz of Killer Whale Strategies back with us last year. was a keynote speaker last year, did a workshop. He’s a huge friend of Ilt. We’re thrilled to have him back and he’s a valuable resource.

Joy Heath Rush is also the CEO of ITLA And so we rely on a team of folks to give us feedback. Some of it’s qualitative, like we just talked, and sometimes we have committee members vote on things, and it’s more quantitative. But the goal is to get deep and wide input from a wide variety of folks for the purpose of having great content.

Josh Smith (05:18)
And I’ll just echo what Ken said. We have a great content committee, a really diverse group of folks in all aspects of cybersecurity and AI right even member law firms, business partners, and they all have come together to help us put together a great panel of sessions for this year.

Marlene Gebauer (05:33)
So, I mean, clearly you have this group of folks that are contributing to the thought process. What do you think inspires their vision and allows this to flow into ILTA Evolve 2025? And I’m also curious how each of you contributed to shaping the overarching mission and objectives for the conference.

Ken Jones (06:00)
Go ahead, Josh.

Marlene Gebauer (06:01)
Hahaha.

Josh Smith (06:01)
Sure, I’ll take it. Sorry, I was gonna wait, I let

you take it. I think, you know…

A lot of the volunteer service with the ILTA, right, as a whole, not specifically with this conference, is giving back to the community, right? You put all these educational sessions together, but you want the community to appreciate it, to benefit from it, right? Because we even learn things when we’re helping teach things, right? So putting the conference together for us, we learn so much, and we learn from each other, and we learn from industry, the best folks in the industry that come and speak at this conference. So it’s really rewarding for me personally, I think for the community as well,

something together like this that is fairly small and intimate, right? Where you can great networking, you can mingle with industry experts, but the reward of putting it together and making it come to fruition and having a great time and great education is really rewarding for me.

Ken Jones (06:52)
And for me Marlene, I think there’s incredible value in many levels of diversity that are present in the committee. Gender, age, but the biggest one to me is vocational diversity. The committee is made up of business partners and consultants and member firms. And so we get a lot of different types of input and a lot of different experiences. People who use technology, people who provide technology. So that’s awesome. And from a personal perspective, as you asked,

I’ll be honest, I wasn’t incredibly into artificial intelligence before I started working with the ILTA Evolve conference and year after year sitting through incredible presentations last year by folks like Kristin, Sandy, and Zach and many, many others and seeing how they use the technology and then working on your own to apply it in your own vocation, in your own life. and, and in what I do in addition to.

working at Xerdict you know, I’m a Seton Hall professor, and we use the technology there to create tests and assessments and to create voice, text-to-voice lectures and all types of things that are hugely beneficial to the faculty. And so I just find that being around a incredibly motivated, articulate and skilled group of professionals that understand artificial intelligence and cybersecurity brings great value to my life and I hope.

that I can share that vision and share those experiences to enhance the content this year.

Greg Lambert (08:31)
So Ken, I’ll throw this back to you. I know you talked a little bit about some of the topics that are going on. There’s, some of the AI advancements that we’ve seen over the last year, cybersecurity, cloud solutions. So what kind of went into the process to make sure that you were getting a wide enough variety of materials in?

speakers on topics for that will resonate with the audience this year

Ken Jones (09:09)
Sure, so there are two general elements, Greg, Marlene and Josh, to the collection of ideas and folks. There’s a call for sessions and a call for speakers. And there are fairly broad, open-minded, sort of brainstorming type things where we will broadly advertise on LinkedIn and other forums that these are available and encourage members of the community to submit their ideas. I myself…

actively and aggressively go throughout my network to solicit ideas. And I try Greg to do it from members, from established companies in the legal tech space, like the typical Iltimex vendor, but also startups and folks who think differently. And the whole goal is to try to get as many different ideas as possible. And we had a ton this year as we always do, and we do for Ilticon also. Then there’s a process of going through them, which Josh and I do primarily and collectively to sort of merge them and find common themes, the themes that were suggested the most, the themes that seem interesting. We do that. There’s an element where we put it out to vote, like I mentioned before, amongst the committee to validate our findings. And then you move into the speaker process, and that’s fairly similar also. You’re hoping to get a wide variety of speakers. It’s very important to ITLA and Josh and I to try to find new voices, diverse voices, different voices, but also the best quality voices. And so there’s a lot of advertising and promotion that goes into that. I’m pretty active on LinkedIn, so is Josh, so is Katie, and other members of ILTA. And it is our hope that those activities to have a broad, diverse group and to reach out to folks curates the highest possible quality of content.

Greg Lambert (11:01)
It doesn’t hurt to be at Myrtle Beach at the end of April either, right?

Josh Smith (11:06)
Not at all.

Ken Jones (11:06)
It’s a beautiful location and we know putting aside content, as we all know, the ILTA community is a group of wonderful people and everybody has a ton of fun and that’s a great place to have fun also.

Marlene Gebauer (11:09)
Destination conference.

Terrific. So Tara Wheeler is set to deliver the keynote at ITLA Evolve 2025, and she’s bringing her expertise in cybersecurity to the forefront. So what specific themes or insights from her talk do you think will resonate most with the audience, and how do they align with the overall mission of this year’s event? And Josh, I’ll send that to you first.

Josh Smith (11:45)
Sure, yeah, so the title of her keynote is Navigating the Digital Frontier.

unveiling the intersection of AI and cybersecurity, which is precisely what our conference is tackling, right? So she’s a great background with Tara. She’s fantastic. Background is a white hat hacker. Definitely a pen testing expert in ethical hacking and all that. And so her keynote aims to explain the intersection between cybersecurity and AI. And I think that one of the descriptions is that artificial intelligence can be a formidable ally in the ongoing battle

digital resilience. So we really look forward to having her, the things that I’ve heard about her are great. I haven’t heard her speak in person, but the things I have heard her do are fantastic. So we’re really excited about her keynote this year.

Marlene Gebauer (12:33)
Yeah, that sounds like a good one.

Greg Lambert (12:34)
I always chuckle when I hear ethical hacking. It’s like jumbo shrimp or military intelligence.

Josh Smith (12:37)
Right? It’s one of those oxymorons.

Ken Jones (12:43)
I would say Marlene, to broaden that topic slightly is that cybersecurity obviously is a topic where defending your company is critical and pen tests and vulnerability scans and employee training and the things that we all have traditionally spoke about are really, really, really important. And Tara brings, like Josh and Greg mentioned, the offensive security, the ethical hacking element to the conference.

And this year we also have other sessions that bring different types of elements, looking at the dark web, looking at facial recognition, looking at trending things like the FBI warning on text messages and the threats that they pose. So we’re hopeful that even if you come to the conference year over year, that there’s a lot of fresh perspectives, looks through different prisms and ways that attendees will have and gain different types of value.

Greg Lambert (13:41)
Yeah, and I think the cybersecurity part, I know we’ve been so excited about all of the potential with AI, but I’m hearing that a lot of networks are seeing huge increases in cybersecurity attacks every day. the common theme is that the AI tools are really making it much easier to kind of automate and enhance and change a lot of these things. I think even though we may not be hearing it as much as we probably should, it’s definitely a topic that is very relevant in 2025.

Josh Smith (14:14)
Yeah.

Right. And there are a lot of aspects of that, Greg, know, from even from making the email sound more realistic, more human or more appropriate in whatever language you deliver the attack in. Right. So make this sound great in English, make this sound great in French. The automation of it, like you mentioned, the help with coding to create some some kind of new code that may not exist that you can sneak in. So you’ve always got to be aware of that. So, it’s just the possibilities are exponential, but we hope that we can stay ahead of the Black Hat guys for sure.

Marlene Gebauer (14:59)
Yeah, I was thinking, sort of listening to this, that the, basically firms, even at the user level, like they’re, knowledge of, you know, just sort of digital knowledge and compliance knowledge and security knowledge is really going to have to be ratcheted up because of all the things that you’re saying that it is so much easier and it does sound so much better. And, you know, people are just going to need to have even more training on awareness in this space. boy. Be prepared for them testing you.

Josh Smith (15:29)
Right. Exactly. Be prepared for those longer security awareness training videos to come out, right? Or at least more frequent.

Greg Lambert (15:34)
Yeah. And Josh,

know how much all the lawyers and the professional staff just love those trainings, right?

Marlene Gebauer (15:44)
They do.

Josh Smith (15:44)
Right? And funny enough, we actually have a product that we’ve used called Synthesia to deliver AI generated training videos that are like 60 seconds long. And we found that that’s really the sweet spot for attorneys, right? If there’s something 60 seconds, it’s not going to take up part of a billable hour, they’ll watch 60 seconds. And if you can deliver a pointed message in that 60 seconds, you may find some success there.

Ken Jones (16:07)
And Greg, I would just add in closing maybe that artificial intelligence offers great potential in response. Also the higher volume of attacks that you mentioned results in higher volume of logs, higher volume of information. And it’s really challenging and difficult to wade through it all, but the more you can automate, you know, looking for anomalous behavior and then really importantly, responding as quickly as humanly possible to shut it down will be of great value. And it becomes increasingly more challenging as the level of data becomes more voluminous.

Marlene Gebauer (16:44)
I’m wondering if people are going to discuss, is it going to become more important to have more security experts or given what AI can do in terms of automation, less important to have more security experts?

Greg Lambert (16:45)
It’s a never ending task.

Josh Smith (17:00)
We’ve discussed that really because you know see that if you can use it as a shift in workflow or a shift in the workforce so you can use those initial those entry-level knowledge workers to do something else that AI can’t do so I mean AI can read your logs I can go into a security copilot and say give me a synopsis of what just happened and it can instantly tell me what just happened without spending 30 minutes or an hour going through all these logs and all these systems so while security co-pilot, for instance, is doing that, you can have that entry-level security analyst focusing on a higher-level task or broadening their knowledge of what they need to do with information that AI provides. But I always think you’ll have that human element. And I hope it doesn’t displace the workforce like some folks think. I really just hope we see that workplace shift of using those intelligent minds for something else versus something the script can do.

Marlene Gebauer (17:55)
was reading that there’s going to be a lot more new kind of technology jobs than the ones that are lost. It’s just a question of sort of where those are going to be. Are they going to be in this space or not?

Josh Smith (18:04)
Right, exactly.

Ken Jones (18:07)
I think we see that in all kinds of mag seven companies where Salesforce and Meta are both laying off, but also hiring large numbers of aogenic AI workers. know, so as you pointed out, Marlene and Josh, the workplace, the overall numbers might not be going down. They might even be going up, but the type of job will be varying significantly.

Greg Lambert (18:32)
Good time to be flexible on what you do, One final question on the ILTA Evolve, because I know you’re going to have a good cross section of attendees with different backgrounds and responsibilities. I mean, you got a good group of speakers that are going to be talking on the different topics.

Ken Jones (18:34)
Yeah.

Josh Smith (18:35)
Absolutely.

Marlene Gebauer (18:38)
Get some online certificates.

Greg Lambert (19:00)
And then you’re gonna have the exhibitor base as well. So how are you planning on kind of like letting everyone kind of co-mingle together and share those ideas and have those conversations?

Ken Jones (19:16)
I can start and then I’m Josh can have his thoughts also. So, I mean, first of all, as I think we all know, but maybe the community doesn’t, Evolve is a little bit smaller than, you know, 30s, five or so exhibitors, attendance in the three or 400 range. So it’s different from ILTACon and it’s a little bit more intimate and there’s a little, it’s a little easier maybe to engage in opportunities. ILTACon has done an awesome job of not making it two separate conferences, but one combined conference in terms of the layout of the space and to ensure that there are common areas for meals and keynotes and things like that. you know, security professionals will have the opportunity to speak with AI folks and vice versa and so forth. And finally, there’s a number of awesome events that I think will foster collegial communication, the welcome party. There’s an event both on Sunday and Monday. ELTA has their Distinguished Peer Awards, which is a formal event, an award ceremony to honor many folks who have done prestigious things, companies, only law firms, business partners, individuals. And so that’ll be an opportunity to acknowledge the wonderful contributions of so many folks in the industry. there’s a broad type of, a broad array of different types of activities that I think will foster and encourage interaction.

Josh Smith (20:42)
I agree. Built in networking breaks throughout the day. So it’s not just a stiff sit there all day and listen to someone speak to you. And we encourage the sessions to be interactive. So ask them Q and a within the actual educational session. So you can have some dialogue within within the time frame that’s allotted for the session. But yeah, like Ken said, we have some great pre-conference events, some things that are happening the nights that we were there and then plenty of time to get together to talk during the networking breaks after the conference in some workshops that we have planned. So it’s a great opportunity, smaller gathering, you can come talk to your friends and make new ones. Great opportunities for networking with these industry experts that we have coming to speak. So great opportunity to come and network and learn a little bit.

Ken Jones (21:26)
And I’ll just build on Josh’s comments to include two that I might have probably shouldn’t have not have omitted, which is ITLA provides training to our session coordinators. we’re thrilled to have Josh Lazar, who’s a committee member and also a faculty member at a university in Florida to provide us with training on experiential learning and the type of interaction that Josh alluded to. So, you know, that’s a really important element of the conference and he said this, but I’ll just reiterate that it’s not just educational sessions, there’s four workshops and the workshops are designed to be more hands-on and with partnerships between the business partners and members to go through real life case studies and work on things together, which also is a great way to build camaraderie and develop interaction between attendees.

Marlene Gebauer (22:17)
think it’s great that you’re kind of mixing it up. it’s firstly, it’s a smaller scale than ILTA. And so that encourages people, I think, to have more conversations than maybe they would otherwise with a large setup. You’re also doing the hands-on versus presentations and lectures. And ILTA is always great about doing the networking. So that is just carrying over here as well. So it sounds like it’s going to be a really terrific event.

Josh Smith (22:42)
Absolutely.

Ken Jones (22:44)
Probably in closing, I should mention that I hear Josh is a world-class cornhole player. And so he’ll have the opportunity to show that off on the beach in Myrtle Beach. I’m just kidding. I’m sorry.

Josh Smith (22:54)
Maybe soon.

Greg Lambert (22:57)
I was going to say, yeah,

Marlene Gebauer (22:58)
Like we just want videos of that. We just need to have that now.

Greg Lambert (23:01)
Myrtle Beach at the end of April sounds a lot better than DC or Orlando or Vegas in August,

Ken Jones (23:03)
Yeah

Marlene Gebauer (23:09)
That’s right.

Josh Smith (23:10)
All right, I hope the weather is perfect.

Marlene Gebauer (23:13)
All right, so Josh and Ken, I’m going to ask you to pull out your crystal ball and you know, what do you think is going to be the biggest challenge or opportunities for legal tech and potential evolve topics in the next few years? Where should, where should we be thinking?

Josh Smith (23:30)
Well, I’ll start off with this one. It’s really hard to say and I know it’s a crystal ball question. So you write and I’m not even an attorney. I just learned from a lot of them. You know, you think that and I’m a security practitioner by nature, right? I do information security at Ogletree and a half for a decade in higher ed, but you think that security is, is always going to be a topic and we, and we may not because you’re starting to see some things with security become operational, right? They’re all, they’re, built in. It’s kind of like the everyday thing, but then all

Marlene Gebauer (23:36)
That’s a lawyer response.

Greg Lambert (23:38)
Yeah.

Josh Smith (24:03)
All of the sudden you have something like AI proliferate wildly and then there are all these new security concerns. it may always be an operational thing for Ilt or for Evolve rather to be one part of the conference. But if something new and hot comes up, the name of the conference is Evolve. So I think Ilt will evolve appropriately and add that or replace something with it for a year or two if that’s the case. But I think right now security and AI are the appropriate two topics, but we’ll see what happens in the future here.

Ken Jones (24:35)
From me, Marlene, of course, it’s a challenging question to answer, but the more data we have and the more advanced technology we use, think the more information governance is super critical. It’s really hard, even as law firms went from on-prem to the cloud to figure out what data is stored where and how to manage it. And this takes it up to another level. think about just like the last two weeks. I mean, as at the time of this taping, know, a deep seek came into play and other, you know, Chinese AI companies, and you’re talking about open source versus proprietary and who will be doing what it’s incredibly dynamic. And so the only thing I think we could say for sure is that there’ll be a tremendous amount of change and it’ll be a challenge to look at where data is stored, look at work processes, look at workflows. and the new tools are out there and try to optimize the way that a legal professional works. And so that’s not exactly the answer you asked for, but I think it’s a very, challenging question to address.

Marlene Gebauer (25:46)
It’s a great answer. And the other thing I was thinking is, particularly given the current administration, what’s going to happen with regulatory? Are we going to, we were sort of moving in the direction of more regulation. is that going to change? What? I know. Is that going to change? so how is that going to impact our compliance initiatives?

Greg Lambert (25:57)
Regulation? Never heard of it.

Ken Jones (26:07)
I mean, you know, we all saw, for example, that the vice president was at the Paris AI conference this week and speaking about that exact topic amongst many others and how this incredible emerging beneficial technology should be used appropriately with the proper amount of guardrails. And there’s at least four areas of consideration, bias, hallucination, privacy and confidentiality, and probably intellectual property also. It’s incredibly challenging to set rules in this space, just as it would for something like the Paris Accord for environmental controls. And so yeah, the regulatory landscape is vital, you know, in terms of understanding how these technologies will move forward in the world. And the same for cybersecurity, GDPR and California Privacy Act and things like that. Yeah, always, always changing. then

Josh Smith (26:57)
It has…

Marlene Gebauer (27:03)
This is international, this isn’t just US.

Josh Smith (27:04)
Right.

Ken Jones (27:07)
You it will be very interesting to see how the regulation element of it is impactful on the industry.

Josh Smith (27:15)
And I think we’ll probably see the same trends like we did with GDPR, right? We’ll see it originate in Europe, right? And then we’ll have some kind of watered down version of it in the different States. And then hopefully at some point we’ll have some kind of a nationwide thing that like the EU AI act, for instance. but, know, and like in the, like Ken said, in the privacy arena, I really think that instead of having the individual States have their own, let’s just have one nationwide one where we can not have to open up 13 different books when we develop a program to make sure we’re getting compliance with all the laws. But we’ll see what happens. You know, that’s a good crystal ball question too, like what’s going to happen. But I think it’ll kind of mimic the trend that GDPR did as far as the use of AI and legislation there. So we’ll see what happens.

Greg Lambert (27:58)
Well guys, thanks for being brave enough to give us your predictions. As a genius once said, predicting things is really hard, especially if it involves the future.

Josh Smith (28:11)
Right?

Marlene Gebauer (28:12)
It’s a Yogi.

Greg Lambert (28:16)
Ken Jones and Josh Smith, thank you very much for coming in and talking with us about ILTA Evolve happening at the end of April in beautiful Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Thanks for coming on the Geek in Review. It’s been great having you guys back.

Josh Smith (28:34)
Always great to see you both.

Ken Jones (28:36)
Thank you both.

Marlene Gebauer (28:37)
Yes, thank you. Thank you both again. And thanks to all of you, our listeners, for taking the time to listen to the Geek in Review podcast. If you enjoy the show, share it with a colleague. We’d love to hear from you, so reach out to us on LinkedIn.

Greg Lambert (28:51)
And Ken and Josh, we’ll make sure we put the links for ILTA Evolve on the show notes. But if someone wants to learn more about it or reach out, where’s a good place to find you? Ken, I’ll start with you.

Ken Jones (29:08)
Sure, I mean the general ITLA website is iltanet.org and one could go to live events and navigate down. I’ll spare you the reading of the whole URL. But that’s a great place and Josh, myself and ITLA and others are posting frequently about it on LinkedIn also.

Josh Smith (29:27)
Perfect.

Marlene Gebauer (29:29)
And I failed to mention we are also on Blue Sky, so you can check us out. can check us out on Blue Sky. I got to get used to that. And as always, the music you hear is from Jerry David DeCicca Thanks again, Jerry.

Greg Lambert (29:32)
Hahaha

All right, thanks, Jerry. All right, bye, everyone.

Marlene Gebauer (29:45)
Bye.

Josh Smith (29:46)
Bye.