This week we welcome Tim Follett, the founder and CEO of Structure Flow, a visual structuring tool designed specifically for lawyers. The conversation begins with a light-hearted discussion about recent events each attended. Greg shares his experience at the KM&I conference in New York, while Tim recounts his time at the Legal Geek conference in London. Marlene, not to be left out, talks about participating in Houston’s Biketoberfest at the ION innovation hub and her insightful presentation with Ian Wilson from Servient on eDiscovery workflow.

Tim delves into his experience at Legal Geek, highlighting the festival-like atmosphere and the palpable momentum within the legal tech ecosystem. He notes a significant increase in focus on AI and legal technology, emphasizing how these tools are becoming integral in the industry. The diversity and growth of the event reflect the expanding interest and investment in legal tech solutions worldwide.

The discussion transitions to the critical role of data visualization in the legal sector. Tim explains how his frustrations as a corporate attorney—particularly the tedious process of creating structure charts in PowerPoint—led him to develop Structure Flow. He underscores the importance of visual tools in capturing and communicating complex information, making it more accessible and understandable. Visualizing relationships and connections help lawyers cut through complexity, a necessity in today’s intricate legal landscape.

Exploring the integration of AI, Tim describes how Structure Flow leverages artificial intelligence to enhance data visualization. By using large language models, the platform can automate the translation of written language into visual diagrams, effectively reducing manual workload and increasing efficiency. This capability is particularly useful in tasks like legal entity rationalization, where visualizing extensive data sets can be daunting and time-consuming.

Looking ahead, Tim shares his vision for the future of visualization tools in the legal industry. He envisions a seamless, interconnected tech stack where lawyers can initiate new matters with AI assistance, pulling in all necessary information and working across multiple platforms through a unified interface. This integrated approach aims to reduce mental load, improve collaboration, and ultimately transform how legal professionals interact with complex data. The episode concludes with Tim’s enthusiasm about expanding Structure Flow’s presence in the U.S. market, bolstered by recent Series A funding, and his insights into the evolving landscape of legal technology.

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Transcript

Marlene Gebauer 0:08
Welcome to the geek in review. The podcast focused on innovative and creative ideas in the legal industry. I’m Marlene Gebauer.

Greg Lambert 0:15
And I’m Greg Lambert.

Marlene Gebauer 0:16
We want to welcome Tim Follett, founder and CEO for Structure Flow. Which is a visual structuring tool for lawyers. Tim, welcome to the geek in review.

Tim Follett 0:24
Thanks very much for having me. Marlene.

Greg Lambert 0:28
All right, but before we jump in and talk with Tim and Structure Flow, I think at least two of us got to go to some conferences last week. Just rub it in. That’s

Marlene Gebauer 0:39
nice.

Greg Lambert 0:40
That’s nice. I was at the km and I conference in New York. And Tim, you were at legal geek in London

Tim Follett 0:46
So I, you know, I think I saw great participation on both sides.

Greg Lambert 0:51
In fact, Tim, you had some folks from Structure Flow at the KM&I conference as well. So, well. Tim, how was legal geek?

Tim Follett 1:03
It was fantastic, really good. It has a kind of festival s flavor terms, so meeting up with lots of people that you want to talk to and catch up with great fun and productive at the same time.

Marlene Gebauer 1:21
What the point? Important questions like, do you wear tie dye?

Tim Follett 1:24
I mean, at home, I do.

Greg Lambert 1:27
I like you six, yeah, not a lot of tie dye at the km and I conference. It’s a little more structured than the legal geek slash fire conference that was going on over in London, but lots of great people. I had a good talk with Laurent weissel, where we dove into the spectacular issue of document management systems, which which actually was, went over quite topic. It is. It is a lot going on in the DMS. So, Tim, what was your takeaway from the legal geek?

Tim Follett 2:11
Takeaway is that there is just this real sense of momentum at the moment in the ecosystem thing. There’s a lot going on with obviously AI, and I think there’s a lot more focus around kind of legal technology now, just broadly in the technology space, it’s more of a thing. People are more aware of it. And think people sense that feels like a very exciting time to be in legal technology, and there was a real buzz at legal geek this year. And it’s growing every year. It’s got bigger. I remember going to it back in 2016 and it was tiny. It was the first one they did in 2016 and it was this year, two days packed full of people. It seems to get bigger, physically every year, lots more people there. Lots more people from different parts of the ecosystem as well. So yeah, just had a real feel of like, buzz about it.

Greg Lambert 3:16
You’re gonna have to get a bigger warehouse to party in next year.

Tim Follett 3:19
They are exactly.

Greg Lambert 3:23
And Marlene, you, you did a presentation this week with the servient.

Marlene Gebauer 3:26
I did but, but first, I will tell you that while you know you were festivaling and conferencing, I donned on my cycling outfit and I went to the ion in Houston with Houston, which is an innovation hub here in Houston, and and did the the bike Tober fest, which is a bike ride that they sponsor every year. And then you come back and you you meet different different innovators and startups and things. And I met one guy who’s who’s doing ESG forums. I met another person who’s a patent attorney who is putting together an app for electric cars to use wind power. That’s, that’s, you know, populating the grid during peak hours when the wind is actually turning the turbine. So very interesting group of people. And really, really enjoyed that. And I did do a presentation yesterday, I was with Ian Wilson from servient on a genic workflow. And it was it was really great. Really enjoyed it. Ian is just a wealth of information in this area, and we took a really deep dive into what a genic workflow is, how it can be used. He was doing the technical aspect. I was sort of giving the the firm aspect. And really thought it was a very informative and useful full program. So enjoyed it a

Greg Lambert 4:50
lot. Yeah, I sat in on that one. You guys. You guys did dive deep.

Marlene Gebauer 4:53
We dove deep. We did, we did, and that, but that’s good, like, I mean, I don’t often get the. Chance to go to or participate in, and ones like that. So I, you know, I really enjoyed it, and I learned a lot. So it’s great. Great.

Greg Lambert 5:08
All right. Well, Tim, let’s, let’s, let’s put the spotlight back on you and Structure Flow. So Structure Flow is your brain child. And so before we dive, we dive deep on on this one, can you just give us a brief overview of what led you to develop it and give us a little background on what Structure Flow is? Yeah, sure.

Tim Follett 5:33
I mean, I was a corporate certainly for a number of years, and this all started with me late at night at my desk, trying to put together a structure chart to go on a due diligence report to a client, and trying to get that out, and just wrestling with PowerPoint, trying to move shapes and lines around, trying to make this thing look good, and just thinking to myself, surely, there’s got to be a better way of doing this. And kind of stepping back from that realization that a huge amount of the work that we do as lawyers now requires visual ways of working. It’s not just nice to have, it’s actually quite core to the way that lawyers are doing their job. So I was in that case, I was working on a structure chart to go into a particular type of report. But if you think about complex restructurings or tax advice, or how pieces of legislation impact corporate groups, you really can’t do that work without mapping out how the different pieces fit together. And for me, I felt that there had to be a better way of doing this, and that there was this opportunity to unlock this power of visual working, but it was never going to happen if we were still using PowerPoint, because it’s just a damn painful wrestling with it. And so if you look at other industries, you’ve got computer aided design, CAD software and engineering and construction, you’ve got software that helps technologists build complicated technology systems. And I thought to myself, surely there’s got to be something for legal that can do this, and

Greg Lambert 7:22
then you found out that it does not, and they stop calling you Shirley, right?

Tim Follett 7:29
Yeah. I mean, crazy, crazy me, I decided to do something about it. And yeah, that was about five years ago. Set up Structure Flows. So five years on, we have a fantastic, really powerful product, which is in MOCA. We’ve got a lot of traction on both sides at the Atlantic. And for me now, actually, the more interesting question is, having stepped back a bit and thought about this a lot more, it’s about, well, you know, why are people creating these diagrams? What are these diagrams? And the reason people are creating them is they’re trying to capture and communicate complex information in a way that’s more accessible, easier to understand. And what they’re doing with these diagrams. When we talk about diagrams now, we think these diagrams are more akin to visual language. So you see shapes and lines, well that’s analogous with words and sentences. It’s capturing information. It’s communicating information, but it’s just doing it in a different way. If you look at structure charts, flow charts, timelines, there are conventions around how all of those look. People want to see the information presented in a certain way, with certain formatting. They have this kind of universality, because you can take a structure chart or a flow chart, you could show it to a non English speaking lawyer in Tokyo, and show it to an English speaking lawyer in New York, and they’re going to look at it, and highly likely they’re going to understand broadly the same thing from looking at it. And that’s that’s really, really powerful.

Marlene Gebauer 9:16
So those are some great examples about why data visualization is so important, and I’d like to take a deeper dive

Tim Follett 9:24
into that, particularly

Marlene Gebauer 9:27
in legal, which is, you know, has traditionally been thought of as as a the written word, type of of profession. So why is the data visualization so crucial in today’s world, in law, you know, and how does Structure Flow enhance that process,

Tim Follett 9:47
really? I mean, legal is a world where, you know, the written word is king or queen, and you know, going back to those kind of medieval parchments. Where you see all of this calligraphy and writing and the impenetrability of that, and I think what’s been happening in the world that has led to this increasing use of visualization is an increase in complexity, and the need to be able to cut through that complexity. So we can look back in time and some of the the earliest structure charts. You see Dutch East India Company in the 1600s as soon as you start getting some organization complexity, people are trying to map it because they’re trying to understand it. And there’s a great example. We’ve got JP Morgan 1913 a beautifully drawn chart of the JP Morgan structure, which was submitted to Congress in context of antitrust legislation that was being introduced, I think, probably done by an architectural draftsman with pen and paper and ruler and compass and all of those things. And then you fast forward through to the last 30 years or so. You got the type writer, and then word processing and PowerPoint and people using technology to visualize more because it’s easier, because you don’t have to get out of pencil and paper and ruler to do it. You can do it in PowerPoint or whatever, and it’s quicker and easier. And I think that’s that’s being driven by an underlying need to kind of cut through this complexity. There’s there’s so many relationships, so many connections, so many things you need to think about now that you didn’t have to think about in the past. And it’s that ability to cut through that complexity, which I think is where the power is with data visualization,

Greg Lambert 11:55
with visualization, I think a lot of people are enthralled with with some of the features that we’re seeing that artificial intelligence, especially generative AI, is allowing us to do. So I know you guys are integrating some AI tools into your data visualization tools. So what what kind of specific things can AI technology do to help visual flow, you know, kind of implement and utilize the resources that the Gen AI tools, again, can provide.

Tim Follett 12:32
So I think what’s really interesting about what we do it is data visualization, but it’s not in the Tableau or Power BI sense. You know, we’re not working with like numbers and graphs, etc. What we’re working with is more akin to relationships. It’s like this shape, this line, this shape, but the shape has a meaning, and the line has a meaning, and the other shape has a meaning. And so fundamentally, what you’re working with is, is relationships. And so a lot of the work that we have as lawyers, if you think about it, when you read contracts, you read emails, you look at existing structure charts or corporate registers or whatever it is, a lot of that information that you’re working with, the core subject matter of what you’re working with, is about relationships. It’s about, you know, this company owns this company, or these companies a party to this contract, and this party over here has the right to do this, and this party has the obligation to do that, and all of that stuff is fundamentally about relationships. And because of that, it’s fundamentally capable of visualization, because you can use shapes and lines to visualize it. Think what becomes really interesting in our world is that what we want to do is to automate the visualization, and in order to do that, we need to translate between written language and visual language. And so the AI technologies that we have now with LLMs, which come from natural language processing paradigm. It’s that ability now to chuck a whole load of complex information into an LLM and have it passed and the entities, the relationships between the entities be extracted, and then you can automatically start to visualize those relationships. And so what you can do is is kind of automate what would otherwise be done in the human brain. So that’s, that’s a kind of core use case. Other use cases are co piloting, so that you can have an AI assistant that’s able to read a diagram for you, able to tell you information if you ask it questions, and other use cases around being able to translate that from diagrams into natural language disco. Options. We have lots of clients who are interested in this, because they have to, as part of regulatory filings, submit not just a diagram, but they may have to describe it in words as well. So these are all really exciting ways in which you can use these new technologies to make life a lot easier for people and unlock this power that visualization has.

Greg Lambert 15:27
You said copilot, but in a different context, do you? Do you think people see the Microsoft copilot with office 365 as being able to do what, what you’re saying structure, flow does what, what? What kind of separates you from, what is expected out of the the co pilot for for office, 365

Tim Follett 15:52
Yeah. CoPilot capability you get in 365 and what you get generally in 365 is general purpose, general capability tooling, and that is good and useful to some extent, that as soon as you get into things which are more relevant to our world, our domain, you start to see that tooling have limitations. And so just a simple way being able to go into PowerPoint and tell it that you want to create something. You’re able to do that with copilot, but you’re probably going to get more success if you’re talking to it in terms of, I want you to create one box at the top two boxes below three boxes below that, right? Whereas what you want to really be able to do, and what we’re driving towards is that you as an attorney can sit down in our system and say, I’m just about to start a new deal. We’ve got a complex, leveraged acquisition structure, and I need you to base the structure on project that we did three months ago, but we need to change it with this and that. And you get your first cut of that structure from that kind of input. You’re not going to get that in PowerPoint.

Marlene Gebauer 17:18
So this, this actually highlights a question that I have. I guess PowerPoint probably being the most basic of the tools. I mean, there are data visualization tools out there for the legal profession, but I think there’s probably a range of ease of use on some of these. And you highlighted this really well with the copilot example that you know, you kind of have to do it step by step by step, as opposed to just being able to give direction and have the the system do it. How does you know? How does you know? How does structure pro ensure that that the data visualization tools are user friendly and acceptable to the non technical users you know? How do you make it easy for for people to just get in there and do their work?

Tim Follett 18:03
Yeah, and, I mean, you know, broader context, it’s like the paradox of, like lawyers, where really intelligent people who are highly capable of doing a whole load of different things, but they’re time poor, they’re really desperately in need of doing stuff simply and quickly, and if you can’t deliver against that, then they’re not going to use you. And it’s, it’s this kind of for us, it’s this, how do we make this as simple as people want it to be, but as powerful as they need it to be? And how do you balance that, and it’s it’s really tricky, because there is this need to make it immediately accessible, so people can go in and pick it up, and they can be up running really quickly. But if they want to go deep, they can go deep. For us, there’s a an immediate kind of need to anchor ourselves and in the PowerPoint paradigm, in the world of PowerPoint, so when you come into structure and you start using it, if you use PowerPoint, you’re very familiar with it. That’s some purpose. We purposely designed it say that it looks and feels like you’re in PowerPoint. And then what we do around that is we have a variety of other functionality that can be accessed, and we allow people to be able to navigate easily to that. And it is a question of at that point, making it as simple as possible to upload documents and data and ingest that and get an output and but trying to always make it very clear to people, as they’re using the application, what’s going on. And you know, it’s an interesting question that you you ask, because a lot of these data viz tools, like, if you think of traditional data viz with Tableau or Pam. Bi and this stuff, I mean, it’s really complicated stuff. You have to, you have to really know what you’re doing PowerPoint. Not so much, but actually, to be a PowerPoint wizard, you really, you do need to invest quite a bit of time into it. And my hat goes off to people who are Visio wizards, because that really does take quite an investment to be able to work magic with that. Yeah,

Greg Lambert 20:26
let’s talk about some real world use cases for Structure Flow. Do you have some examples or some case studies that you’ve done where Structure Flow has significantly impacted the work of your clients.

Tim Follett 20:43
So there’s a project we were recently involved with for a major US law firm clients where they had a client that was doing quite an extensive legal entity rationalization exercise, and they were working with about 750 odd rows of data and spreadsheet Entity Data. And to my point, at the start of the show, there is certain work that you just can’t do unless you’re working visually. And this kind of work is exactly what’s in that bucket, because you have to map it. You have to be looking at all of those entities and the relationships between them visually in order to do the work. And so they needed to get this visualized very quick. And if they’d done it traditionally using PowerPoint, it would have taken, by my estimate, a number of weeks to do it. And we built data import capability where you can now at the click of a button, get that kind of data in. They wanted to organize it in a particular way. They wanted to color code it in a particular way. They wanted to put state flags on particular entities. So we’ve been building ways that actually from the data, you can now automate the formatting of the visuals. We were able to get that data set visualized very, very quickly for them, that’s not the end of the process for them, because then they’ve got got to deliver the, you know, they’ve got to do the thinking, they’ve got to deliver the legal advice, and they’ve got to work with that and tell their clients, you know, we recommend that, you know, we rationalize the structure in this way and all the rest of it, but we were able to get them from zero to one quickly. Yeah, and

Greg Lambert 22:35
I’m going to jump to a question I had later, but I think you set it up pretty well, and talked about importing the data from different aspects of the technology that the law firm may have. I know, I went through a demo a few weeks ago, and we did some examples where we’re actually taking information that was exported into JSON formatting and then being able to import that in into the system. So what? What’s some of the key features that that

Tim Follett 23:10
allow you to do this type of data importing from multiple other systems and yours? So you you need a the thing that’s different with this type of software is you need to have a data model that sits underneath the visuals, and you need to have an information architecture that reflects the world that you’re working in the types of visualization that you want to be able to create, and so you’re creating a system that understands what these different things and these different relationships are. And because of that, it’s able to help you with the translation of natural language or structured data individuals, it’s not the end of the show, because you also need to have something like a layout engine, which is algorithmic, which is essentially identifying how best to lay this out on page. And so you’re combining these things together so that effectively, you’re taking a lot of existing information, you’re extracting from it what you need. You’re packaging that back in to data structure that you can feed into a canvas engine, and then you can layer a layout engine into that which will, hey, presto, go from written text to

Greg Lambert 24:39
visuals. Does it allow you to kind of look at different options of of how it’s laid out? So there, you know, you don’t necessarily just have an an output, but you you may look at multiple and see what, what works to tell that story best.

Tim Follett 24:57
That’s a really exciting area. Area. You know, what we’re trying to do is take mental load off people, basically. So like, if you’ve got manual diagram in workflow where someone’s having to read all this stuff and work out what’s going on and then work out how they want to visualize it, then assuming the lawyers doing it themselves, or maybe a PA is doing or someone else, then you’re thinking, Well, how do I present this? How do I make this easy to consume? What colors do I need to use? How can I fit this all onto one sheet of paper, all of that stuff, which, again, is like mental load, mentally draining. Do I really need to be doing this? Surely, something else should be working this out for me, right? And so exactly, as you say with your question. And there are so many, there’s so many things about it. How do you best lay out this diagram in this particular way? And we, we can help so generally,

Marlene Gebauer 25:57
in these sort of like complex litigation or a complex deal, there’s, there’s always a team that’s that responsible. It’s not you, it’s not on one person that’s that’s working on this matter. And so collaboration is really essential. So I’m wondering how Structure Flow facilitates collaboration amongst the team members, really.

Tim Follett 26:22
So there’s always been this digital whiteboard style experience that we want to emulate what you find with solutions like Miro or mural, that ability for multiple people to come together and look at something and understand something in unison. Is really, really powerful. The way that we do that currently, we have sharing capability. We allow people to come into a project and work collaboratively on projects internally. And we’re about to release external sharing as well. I have sort of, that’s great, yeah, which is, which is really, which is really exciting. It’s an interesting exercise, though, trying to emulate a Miro style collaboration experience in the legal world, and it’s going to be interesting. I think we both experienced that

Marlene Gebauer 27:27
not quite as open and sharing. Yeah, I mean, there’s,

Tim Follett 27:32
there’s an interesting dynamic between the lawyers and their clients, and the way that lawyers want to deliver content to their clients, and they want the content to be perfect, and that there’s almost this kind of, you know, the artist who’s doing the portrait, who, you know, doesn’t let the sitter see the portrait until the final moment, and then whisks off the cloth.

Marlene Gebauer 27:52
That’s a great analogy technology.

Tim Follett 27:57
So there is, there’s that dynamic, which is an interesting dynamic, but I do think there is something really powerful about how do lawyers engage with their clients, and how do they share information and work together with their clients? And the value proposition that we have there is a big part of it is, yes, we’re going to save you time. Yes, we’ll make you more efficient. But often, actually, you know, lawyers will be thinking, actually, actually, do we want to be more efficient? You know, do we want to be reduce the amount of time we bill, etc? But I think what no one will disagree with is that people, lawyers. People want to be able to win more clients, they want to win more business. They want to have stronger relationships with their clients. They want more stickiness and all of that stuff we believe can be strengthened by using visualization more effectively.

Greg Lambert 29:03
What what are some of the things that your your clients have told you that you know you they really enjoy, or that have have kind of wowed them? And I’m and I’m curious, are those the things that you thought would wow them, or has there been some surprises on features that they’ve liked that cut you maybe cut you off guard.

Tim Follett 29:25
We’ve had some we’ve had a whole variety of different use cases kind of pop up that we weren’t necessarily expecting. Some law firms that are using software to map out their clients, organization structures and kind of command structures. So thinking about selling legal services into particular corporates, they’re using software to map those corporates and track actually, who are the decision makers, who. Is going to who do we really need to impress when we’re on this pitch? So that that’s a kind of interesting use case that’s emerged quite organically and across multiple different clients. Then, I mean, what delights our clients? What, what, what we found, is that there is continually a real sense of satisfaction when they’ve been able to use the software to delight their clients, and often that is happening in a biz dev context. It’s happening in pictures. It’s happening in the early conversations that they’re having with their clients on disputes and transactions, and they’re trying to engage with their clients in interesting ways and have more interesting conversations with them. And that is very, very powerful. And if you’ve got one law firm that’s doing that and another law firm that’s not the client, notices quite quickly that

Greg Lambert 31:01
they’re missing something. And I imagine with the with the visualization, that that can become apparent pretty quickly if, if one showing up and has a PowerPoint pitch that is filled with with words, and then one comes in and basically tells a story through the visualization that impacts is a lot stronger. And we, we see that, you know, even within, within our firm, that we’ve seen things like that. So, yeah, I can see that being very important, yeah.

Marlene Gebauer 31:29
And I mean, sort of potential clients seeing that just, just in terms of a a pitch, then they also start to think, okay, how can that be applied in in my work. I mean, it’s just, it’s very clear, and there’s a big impact there. Neat, Tim, you recently got some series a funding to expand in the US. So why did you make that choice, and what’s the road map for that expansion?

Tim Follett 31:56
Yeah, I mean, the US is such an exciting place to be, generally, very, very, very exciting, most of the caveat. And there’s, you know, there’s, there’s obviously a lot going on at the moment, you’ve got the election coming up, and, yeah, I know, I know it’s not easy, probably being we just keep doing

Marlene Gebauer 32:16
deep breathing, deep breathing, yeah,

Tim Follett 32:20
but you know what? It’ll be fine. And I think I look at the US and I just see such amazing opportunity. I love being over in in America. I’m just beginning to explore it more. Been in Texas earlier this year. I’ve just done a little tour of southern states. I’m going to be in Miami in December. I’m spending a lot of time in New York. I want to be out in Chicago soon. And West Miami

Greg Lambert 32:49
in December is a good place to be. Yeah,

Tim Follett 32:51
yes, it is. Should be nice. Should be nice. But to answer your question, there’s just so much opportunity in the in the American, North American market, generally, Canada included, and we’ve built a pretty solid business over here. About 50% of our revenue now is from North America, and it’s growing. And the product that we’ve built has global relevance. To my point earlier about it having these these diagrams, these charts, they have this universality to them, and the American market is there for all of us to kind of get our teeth into. So we brought on board a US investor, US venture capital firm called fin top capital. They’re a small in terms of number of people, but significant in terms of assets under management venture capital firm based in Nashville, Tennessee. They’ve also invested in Logan six, which is another UK legal tech business, and a partner that led our investment is a guy called Chris Hayley, who is a former corporate tax attorney, and he kind of immediately got what we were trying to do, because he’d spent hours and hours earlier in his life wrestling with PowerPoint. And yeah, we’ve, we’ve really enjoyed having fin taught on the journey with us and very excited for where we’re going to go next. So Tim,

Marlene Gebauer 34:25
at this point, we have our crystal ball question that we ask all our guests, and basically that is, you know, what do you see as the future for visualization tools within legal over the the next couple years?

Tim Follett 34:39
Yeah, so my take on this is that what we’re building is a visual interface. It’s a type of interface into certain types of information that are well presented in the way that you look at a structure chart or a flow chart or a timeline, etc. So. So what we are doing, essentially is creating a graphical user interface that can sit within the tech stack and can allow someone to navigate their way around information systems. It’s how we look at the evolution of Structure Flow. So I I have a vision, which is around a lawyer of the future, being able to start a matter, transactional dispute. And at the start of it, it could be very simple. It could be a ChatGPT style interface where you just say to it, I am going to be doing this type of matter. And that then could talk you through some options around what kind of tech Do you want to use in this matter, and this type of matter, we would ordinarily expect you to have this kind of tech stack and have that system, then be able to kind of create a protocol and and pre populate those systems for you with some kind of data ingest mechanism that allows you to pull all your factual information that you need for your matter into some kind of space where you can then work on it, and then probably a series of different interfaces that allows you to work on your matter with different types of data and different systems. And I think Structure Flow will be part of that. Structure Flow that in terms of structure charts, flow charts, timelines, those kinds of interfaces into information. But then when you go you need to do your drafting, or you’re doing your transaction management, or whatever, you go into other systems that allow you to do all of that, and crucially, all of this stuff is connected together, and that’s the thing that’s missing at the moment. And I mean connected together from a data perspective. And there’s some really interesting work being done by SALI and others on standardization of ontologies and data structures and all of that. But I also mean connected together, probably in some form of single interface. So you’re not, I mean, you’re not in a web browser. You’re not moving in between one web app and another web app, one window and another window, it is all seamlessly interconnected. And so what you end up with is this experience as a lawyer, where you you start you matter at inception, you’re pulling information in. The data is getting structured at inception. It’s then fed across your workflow, across my systems, and you have a user experience that feels seamless and joined up. It’s the kind of it’s the Minority Report. You know, Minority Report that film, Minority Report. You know, it’s standing in front of that screen and having just complete mastery, right of everything we all do

Marlene Gebauer 37:47
the same thing.

Greg Lambert 37:50
I’m waiting for the the the monitors, where you can see through the monitors and just start moving stuff around. Yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s the dream so Well, sounds like we got an exciting couple of years in front of us then. So Tim Faulk from CEO and founder at Structure Flow, want to thank you very much for coming in and talking with us today. This has been

Tim Follett 38:13
great. Great. Thank you, Mollie, it’s been awesome. And

Marlene Gebauer 38:18
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Greg Lambert 38:28
And Tim, we’ll put links in the show notes for everybody. But what’s the best way for people to find out more about structure, flow, or to reach out to you for with more questions,

Tim Follett 38:39
then if anyone wants to DM me on LinkedIn, love that also our website or our site on LinkedIn, yeah.

Marlene Gebauer 38:50
And, as always, the music you hear is from Jerry. David disco. Thank you, Jerry.

Greg Lambert 38:54
Jerry. All right, Marlene, All right, bye, bye.